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greg81

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Pridružen: Če mar 27, 2014 07:28

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Re: Gromov 7 dnevni post eksperiment

Za mano je drugi, tokrat 3 dnevni post, več pa ni šlo, ker mi je te dni premrzlo :-)
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Pridružen: Sr nov 11, 2015 18:14

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Daljši post za "navadne" ljudi mi je jasen, zakaj mora trajat toliko časa. Prvo mine nekaj dni, da pride človek v ketozo, potem pa nekaj dni, da avtofagija spuca sistem.

Ni pa mi jasno, zakaj bi nekdo, ki je že v ketozi in prekipeva od zdravja, moral tako dolgo furat post? So še druge prednosti od avtofagije?
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Pridružen: Če sep 23, 2004 18:35

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izugba naveznosti na hrano ki prihaja iz preteklih dogodkov
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Pridružen: Če sep 23, 2004 18:35

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The cardiovascular, metabolic and hormonal changes accompanying acute starvation in men and women.
Webber J1, Macdonald IA.

Abstract

The effect of fasting for 12, 36 and 72 h was studied in twenty-nine healthy subjects (seventeen women and twelve men). Measurements were made of cardiovascular variables, metabolic rate, respiratory exchange ratio, plasma metabolites, insulin, thyroid hormones and catecholamines. During starvation there were no significant changes in blood pressure, whilst heart rate (beats/min) increased at 36 h and remained elevated after 72 h (12 h 62.5 (SE 1.8), 36 h 68.0 (SE 1.9), 72 h 69.2 (SE 1.8); P < 0.001). Forearm blood flow (FBF) increased progressively from 3.32 (SE 0.20) to 6.21 (SE 0.46) ml/100 ml per min (P < 0.001). Resting metabolic rate (kJ/min) was significantly increased after 36 h of starvation (12 h 4.60 (SE 0.14), 36 h 4.88 (SE 0.13), P < 0.001), but was not significantly different from the 12 h value after 72 h (72 h 4.72 (SE 0.15) P = 0.06). The respiratory exchange ratio fell progressively from 0.80 to 0.76 to 0.72 (P < 0.001). Blood glucose fell, whilst plasma glycerol and beta-hydroxybutyrate rose and plasma lactate did not change. Plasma insulin and free triiodothyronine fell during starvation. Plasma adrenaline and noradrenaline were unchanged at 36 h, but were significantly increased after 72 h. Both sexes showed a similar pattern of response to starvation, although absolute values of blood pressure, forearm blood flow, metabolic rate and plasma catecholamines were higher in men than women. Acute starvation produces profound cardiovascular and metabolic changes which are not explained by the accompanying hormonal changes.
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Pridružen: Če sep 23, 2004 18:35

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Alternate-day fasting in nonobese subjects: effects on body weight, body composition, and energy metabolism.
Heilbronn LK1, Smith SR, Martin CK, Anton SD, Ravussin E.
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Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Prolonged dietary restriction increases the life span in rodents. Some evidence suggests that alternate-day fasting may also prolong the life span.
OBJECTIVE:

Our goal was to determine whether alternate-day fasting is a feasible method of dietary restriction in nonobese humans and whether it improves known biomarkers of longevity.
DESIGN:

Nonobese subjects (8 men and 8 women) fasted every other day for 22 d. Body weight, body composition, resting metabolic rate (RMR), respiratory quotient (RQ), temperature, fasting serum glucose, insulin, free fatty acids, and ghrelin were assessed at baseline and after 21 d (12-h fast) and 22 d (36-h fast) of alternate-day fasting. Visual analogue scales were used to assess hunger weekly.
RESULTS:

Subjects lost 2.5 +/- 0.5% of their initial body weight (P < 0.001) and 4 +/- 1% of their initial fat mass (P < 0.001). Hunger increased on the first day of fasting and remained elevated (P < 0.001). RMR and RQ did not change significantly from baseline to day 21, but RQ decreased on day 22 (P < 0.001), which resulted in an average daily increase in fat oxidation of > or =15 g. Glucose and ghrelin did not change significantly from baseline with alternate-day fasting, whereas fasting insulin decreased 57 +/- 4% (P < 0.001).
CONCLUSIONS:

Alternate-day fasting was feasible in nonobese subjects, and fat oxidation increased. However, hunger on fasting days did not decrease, perhaps indicating the unlikelihood of continuing this diet for extended periods of time. Adding one small meal on a fasting day may make this approach to dietary restriction more acceptable.
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Pridružen: Če sep 23, 2004 18:35

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Effects of meal frequency on metabolic profiles and substrate partitioning in lean healthy males.
Munsters MJ1, Saris WH.
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INTRODUCTION:

The daily number of meals has an effect on postprandial glucose and insulin responses, which may affect substrate partitioning and thus weight control. This study investigated the effects of meal frequency on 24 h profiles of metabolic markers and substrate partitioning.
METHODS:

Twelve (BMI:21.6 ± 0.6 kg/m(2)) healthy male subjects stayed after 3 days of food intake and physical activity standardization 2 × 36 hours in a respiration chamber to measure substrate partitioning. All subjects randomly received two isoenergetic diets with a Low meal Frequency (3 ×; LFr) or a High meal Frequency (14 ×; HFr) consisting of 15 En% protein, 30 En% fat, and 55 En% carbohydrates. Blood was sampled at fixed time points during the day to measure metabolic markers and satiety hormones.
RESULTS:

Glucose and insulin profiles showed greater fluctuations, but a lower AUC of glucose in the LFr diet compared with the HFr diet. No differences between the frequency diets were observed on fat and carbohydrate oxidation. Though, protein oxidation and RMR (in this case SMR + DIT) were significantly increased in the LFr diet compared with the HFr diet. The LFr diet increased satiety and reduced hunger ratings compared with the HFr diet during the day.
CONCLUSION:

The higher rise and subsequently fall of insulin in the LFr diet did not lead to a higher fat oxidation as hypothesized. The LFr diet decreased glucose levels throughout the day (AUC) indicating glycemic improvements. RMR and appetite control increased in the LFr diet, which can be relevant for body weight control on the long term.
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Pridružen: So feb 09, 2019 23:21

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Naj vam povem da uporaba bcaa in limone in drugih "bosterjev" post prekinejo, ker vsebujejo zadosti kalorij, tako da tega ne priporočam. V poštev pride zeleni čaj,črna kava, jabolčni kis, voda, mineralna voda... Za nadomestitev eletrolitov je najcenejša izbira himalajska sol, ki vsebuje kar 84 naravnih mineralov razen kalija, ki ga tudi potrebujemo na postenju.. prav tako pazite, kako prekinete post.. najboljša izbira je mct olje ali juha.

Vsi ki niste keto prilagojeni prav tako pazite, da pri prvem obroku ne mešate oh in maščob, ampak samo oh+b ali m+b ;)
lep pozdrav
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Pridružen: Če sep 23, 2004 18:35

Odgovor Ne feb 10, 2019 13:54

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prekinejo v kakem smislu? kaj je definicija posta? verjetno si ga vsak prilagodi. koliko bcaa pozitivne vplive posta nevtralizirajo pa lahko samo ugibaš. po moje ne bo nobene razlike. razen da si rečeš je drugače
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Re: Gromov 7 dnevni post eksperiment

Po obilnem vikendu v katerem sem malo zabluzil s hrano sem se odlocil da nardim malo posta. Postil sem se 5 dni in 12 ur. Post ni nova stvar za mene, vsaj 3 dnevni post delam kar nekajkrat tudi vec je ze blo, a tokrat so me rezultati res fascinirali. V tem casu sem tudi treniral, enkrat kardio, ostalo intenzivno z utezmi, tudi noge. Treningi itak bp, kot vedno ko sem na postu nenormalen pump, zakaj se vedno ne vem ampak po cca 3 dneh posta mi je top trenirat. No se izguba kilaze iz 95kg na 88kg, nekaj odpada, tudi vode, ostalo pa tudi glede na ogledalo bi rekel da vec kot polovica mascobe, koza lepa, nategnjena. Po teh 5 dneh izgledam kot da bi dal skozi 1 mesec klasicne diete. Post sem prekinil kar z mesom, bp. Aja v tem casu sem se ucil za kolokvij, uspesno, pisal seminarske, pocutje itak top, lahkotnost, zbranost, energija. Skratka meni so vecdnevni posti top, jih izvajam ze nekaj let in se jih bom. Morda pade tudi kak 14 dnevni, ce zdrzim zeljo po mastnem mesu, ki se mi ponavadi pojavi. Malo reseta za telo, skratka priporocam!
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Pridružen: Če sep 23, 2004 18:35

Odgovor Po apr 08, 2019 12:22

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dvig ketonov vpliva tako na delovanje mozganovv kot tudi pretok krvi v misico. tako verjetno pri pumpu to odigralo vlogo
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